29 September 2010

Yes or No?

First of all, I'd like to thank everyone for managing a kind word between the barbs. But, I'm not fooling myself, there were more barbs than soft spots in the recent discussion. I was amazed at the way the {fireside chat} went from people talking to me to people talking at me to people taking about me.
Hello, I'm in the room.
I must have really angered a lot of people when I "took ATS back" a few years ago. But it needed to go into the shop for overhaul. It had gotten so distorted that it stood the chance of losing out on the legacy it deserves. I appreciate you all tolerating the hiatus. But now it seems like you are just as angered at having the name back.
Can't win, that must be the name of this game.
So, what say we just put this game on the shelf? Let's start a new one that pleases as many as possible.

So, here we go with the third in a series of posts about the new identity of ATS. I titled this, "Yes or No?" because several people asked that very question in their responses to my original post "ATS Old School, ATS New Style {fireside chat}" and the follow-up, "FRIENDS, nothing has changed."
And the answer is, "Well, yes and no." Read on.

I have excerpted anonymous quotes from the blog posts so I can be sure to answer as thoroughly as possible. Great questions and comments from everyone, by the way. {I'll refer to ATS Old School and ATS New Style in this text, but don't be put off if you were offended by the terminology that I suggested. See below for a contest to adjust the nomenclature.}


Q: "If we perform the core/old school ATS steps as we have learned them (from the videos), but add additional steps that we have borrowed from other groups and adapted, are we still ATS? Or are we "cheaters?" We have no intention of our ATS steps dropping below a distinct majority of our vocabulary."
A: If you have a vocabulary that includes Gypsy Caravan and/or Black Sheep Belly Dance steps, and are not a Sister Studio, you are welcome to use the term "ATS" in your title. However, I see GS and BSBD as distinct styles in and of themselves, so it's a bit hard for me to see them all working together. I suppose you might even have to redesign some of those moves to suit the FCBD ATS "filter."

Q: It hit me full on when I found myself in a huge ATS circle, led by Rachel Brice in precise FCBD format. I could never have danced with her if I had not learned a language we both spoke. I knew that night that I wanted to be fluent so I could experience that magic again and again. I believe it is this that we fear losing, but with strong attachment will come preservation by many.
On the nomenclature.: Cabaret dancers differentiate "classical" Egyptian style from other interpretations and is highly respected because of its heritage. If that is what happens with ATS, as I believe it will, I will be even more pleased to help represent the "original gangsta".
A: I see that the broader definition of ATS has caused a general fear that the original vocabulary will be lost. Not while FCBD is on the scene! We will continue to uphold the format, even with the eventual addition of new steps and variations from our own studio.

Q: I find this very interesting. I was among the people who thought I was ATS, then found I wasn't once the definition was clarified (and went through a whole gamut of emotions including confusion, sadness, and anger), and have come to peace with my troupe's ATS-esque style. I think that, with this introduction of multiple ATS styles, it is possible we'll see some fantastic innovation. Instead of many mini-FCBD's, I think different troupes or areas of dancers will emerge showing their strengths and bring interesting developments to the dance. At the same time I think dancers and groups that stick tight with how FCBD is doing things will continue to get stronger and keep that core ATS alive.
A: Exactly, this is very well worded. It's about being free to create and continue to spread ATS all across the globe. No more arguments about who is and is not, ATS. But your creations will flourish or perish depending on how well they work with the ATS Old School vocabulary.

Q: Do I think everything that comes up will be awesome or fit what Carolena has in mind? No. Do I think people will use the term ATS when their dancing has nothing at all to do with what *is* ATS? Yes, but they'd do that no matter what Carolena or anyone else says. Is this transition going to be smooth and effortless, without lots of questions and clarifications and all that mess? Probably not. It might open up some good dialogue within troupes, communities and the wider ATS world about how people are dancing, why they are dancing, how they want to achieve their dance goals, and the future of the style.
A: We have seen already that it's not going to be easy. I meant for it to be a joyous occasion, like opening the castle walls and inviting the whole village in so we could share our abundance. But it wasn't like that. I still feel a bit stunned by the abject criticism that I received for a few days after the original post on 16 Sep. Some of the harshest words came from the Sister Studios, whom I think felt like I was taking away their hard won status. Even more curious, almost all of the SS that objected said that they have their own new moves already, but were keeping them out of the ATS vocabulary. Hint: don't hide them from me, show them to me.

Q: With this announcement, I feel relief. I don't feel like I've been sneaking into Mommy's liquor cabinet to drink her port while her back is turned. :)...Our original moves and variations will go back back into our vocabulary and go back to dancing in Carolena's name. ...I can understand everyone's fear of everything becoming ATS. I look at the indiscipline of so much of the Tribal Fusion out there, and shudder to think that could happen in ATS. ...But as was said earlier, this isn't going to change anything. There are already crappy dancers who don't know their Core ATS (Old School in CN's terms) but calling themselves ATS. ...And they will attract people who don't know or care about the difference. But out of those people will come people who WILL want to know FCBD moves.
A: Well, I'm glad someone feels relief! I will still ask that Sister Studios maintain a strict adherence to the FCBD format, both Old School and New School. If you teach GC or BSBD moves, just keep them separate as you have been doing. FCBD Sister Studios should really be FCBD Sister Studios.
*You can have the Port, it's too sweet for me. I prefer a rich Merlot and Cabernet.

Q: My wish, Mama C, is for some very clear criteria in this next DVD. Maybe a numbered list or a fancy flowchart (e.g. "Does the move maintain uplifted arms? If yes, proceed to the next question..."). All kidding aside, I realize very clear criteria may seem like we're spelling out common sense, but I am very concerned that not everyone has the same ATS common sense. If you showed one hundred dancers a new move and asked us if it works as NS ATS, would we all give the same answer...I don't know. I'm worried that we will all have different interpretations of what ATS is. ...So, though it may be difficult to write "rules" for such a creative, beautiful dance, I think that spelling out the criteria for knowing if something is ATS...very clearly...with no room for misinterpretation...would be very helpful.
A: Flow chart, very good idea. Probably easier for dancers to visualize the filter/format than translate the words. And you are right, this whole thing fell apart in the mid-nineties when people branching off did not, in my mind, exhibit ATS Common Sense, that was why I wanted to take ATS back and be able to control the quality of who used the name. But that's proving to be an exhausting process and I think I would be holding creativity at bay if I didn't make the decision to open the castle gates.
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Q: It seems fairly clear (to me, at least), that if the vast majority of your moves are FCBD, and you have created some of your own variations on these moves, added a few unique moves, and modified a few GC and BSBD moves to fit within the ATS format, you are invited back into the club. I have also gathered from previous posting on Tribe, that GS and TT is not a requirement to identify as ATS. As clear as it seems to me, I would appreciate a solid "yes" or "no".
A: It is not necessary to attend General Skills for ATS (GS) and Teacher Training for ATS (TT) in order to be considered and ATS troupe, or to teach ATS. Ever since I started teaching classes, and eventually producing videos, people have considered a secondary understanding of the dance to be enough experience to begin teaching and performing. Surely, this is how the dance spread world-wide and I have no contest with it.
GS and TT are for the people that want a first hand tour and desire to (or, can tolerate!) spend four to six days with me asking whatever question they want and get a thorough education about each and every step, formation and application.

Q: In the context of New Style, your comments make perfect sense regarding BSBD and GC keeping in mind ATS posture, etc. This is the area, I think could get muddy as I believe some will take this new information once you publish it and run.
A: I'm fine with the general ATS public blending FCBD ATS with GC and BSBD. I would expect that Sister Studios will continue to keep the style separate, as SS means that you *want* to adhere to FCBD Old School. New creations of FCBD ATS are acceptable, but we won't be using anyone else's steps as part of our vocabulary.

Q: This is essentially what I see this "Old School/New Style" ATS announcement fostering. Allowing (and encouraging!) .... directors and teachers, and our troupes as well, to follow our creative bliss, while still staying true to ATS aesthetics and philosophies. This empowers everyone to create moves and ideas which are reflections of our troupe's individual creative visions, but still be part of a larger ATS "family" with whom we can collaborate and support.
A: Exactly!

Q: Those who choose to closely follow in FatChance's footsteps will still have that joy and freedom to do so. The body of work endorsed by FatChance, through their workshops and videos, will continue to be a yard stick for technique and presentation. Sister Studios will continue to be part of that standard by which ATS will be measured. Acknowledging and empowering this not-at-all-new branch of the ATS tree isn't taking anything away from anyone. I know that it feels like that to many, but I hope that they will see that you have been surrounded by these dancers all along--you have supported them, admired them, connected with them, shared with them, inspired them and been inspired in return. They're strong and respectful dancers who are valuable contributors to the ATS community already. Carolena is now putting her arm around those dancers and saying, "Welcome to the family, we're glad you're here." And I think that is a benefit to everyone, don't you? I hope so...
A: Perfect, thank you for this.


These comments were really helpful in showing me what needed to be clarified from the original fireside chat. Now, let me try to summarize where we are right now.

When I started teaching and making videos back in the early 90s, I had no concept of having to control what happened to ATS. I felt that since I was creating a "style" of an established dance, it wasn't my place to impose anything more than my creativity and loyalty (and funding, let's not forget that I paid for a lot of ads to get all of this into place! Before there were free FaceBook ads, we had to pay dearly for newspaper and magazine placement.)
But things didn't go as anticipated. People started branching off and teaching and the aestheic of the style started to change. At first I tried to make a statement, but it only resulted in resentment. I decided to retreat and let things develop "out there" while we stuck to the orginal vision of ATS "in here."
Eventually Tribal Fusion emerged and things started to divide in a way that made sense. I was comfortable saying that ATS was what FatChance did, Gypsy Caravan was what Paulette did, Black Sheep Belly Dance was what Kajira did, and Tribal Fusion was what the youngsters did. That met with some resistence, but it felt like the right thing to do.
But now, as the years have passed, we have lots of Sister Studios that are happy and willing to hold down the FCBD ATS format. I find that it has become so solid, that we are starting to create. Not only at FatChanceBellyDance, but many of the Sister Studios are coming up with new moves and variatons, to my delight some are actually the same! Osmosis! Collective subconscious! 100 monkeys with typewriters!
It's time to open up the boundaries of ATS. I propose, of course, to follow tradition. The core steps from Tribal Basics Vol. 1 Dance Fundamentals and Tribal Basics Vol. 4 Embellishments and Variations are the Old School*. Everyone knows them, they are universal and will continue to be. Tribal Basics Vol. 5 Cues and Transitions and Tribal Basics Vol. 6 Improvisational Choreography support both Vol. 1 and Vol. 4 as well as the Tribal Basics Vol. 7 Creative Steps and Combinations collaboration with FatChance and Devyani Dance Co.
I want to embrace new steps as they emerge and call them, simply New Style*. Because of the landslide of new steps I wiil likley not add them to the General Skills for ATS curriculum. I don't even need to see all of them as they are created. As long as they follow the format of Antatomy of a Step: the posture does not change; the ATS Old School steps remain the core;the result of a new step reinforces the aesthetic of uplifted arms and joyful display of the body; the step conveys happiness; any cues should be brief and logical, the more "rules" you have to add, the less successful the step will be; the principals of non-verbal communication govern all cues and formations.

So, to answer the question, "Yes or No?" The answer is Yes and No. I had intended the Old School/New Style idea to be applicable to those that were adhereing to FCBD ATS. It never occured to me that the GS/BSBD blends would want to come on board. But OK, here goes: "Yes", you can call yourselves ATS if you are not doing stricly FCBD ATS, but you don't have to if you have settled with another name for your brand of Tribal. "Yes" you can blend and create new steps regardless if you are blended or FCBD ATS. "No" you will not flow** with other dancers if they don't know your stylizations, but you can share them and the universe will expand. "No" you should not blend GC/BSBD if you are a Sister Studio, the desire to remain true to FCBD ATS should be apparent.

**Flow: If you choose to create your own thing you will not be able to flow with another ATS dancer that you have never danced with before. What do I mean by flow? Flow is when both dancers have the same muscle memory for steps, interpret the music in the same way, have a similar skill level and use the ATS formations of duet, trio and quartet. Flow is dancing in the divine subconscious. But if you have one version of a step and another dancer has a different version, you will have to discuss it ahead of time and you will have to think, or stay in the conscious while you dance. This is not a bad thing, but just be aware of it.

*Now let's have a contest to choose a permanent name for "ATS Old School" and"ATS New Style." Send your suggestions to my blog, look for the title "Contest!" The winner will go down in history, and get a free something when the results of the contest are announced. Myself and members of FCBD will choose the winning entries.

I hope this third post will satisfy the need for clarification that was absent in the first two posts. As ever, let me know your thoughts on my blog.

8 comments:

icy said...

*applause* That was crystal clear - Thank you so much!!!

Tonje said...

Tonje from Belly Belly Hip here. I reacted to your initial post with excitement, and a need to do nothing but wait and watch. I am really very committed to teaching my students "ATS old school". I love that I can hook up with dancers from around the globe and dance the same language. At the same time, over the history of our troupe we have several times set ourselves the homework assignment of coming up with new moves/formations/transitions. I haven't used exactly the same guidelines as you have, but similar enough I think. We currently all have the same assignment again, due in a couple of months at our annual Troupe Retreat. I see your statement on September 16th as following the same paradigm as the creation of TribalStar Galactica, becoming more inclusive without giving up your standards and foundation of the dance, and I so, so appreciate you for this! Thank you for your incredible thoughtfulness.

germanmouse said...

Thank you - this answers the questions that had come up in my mind, too. :-)

Yours,
Ursel

Shay Moore said...

Your patience, passion, and leadership shine through in all these messages you have thoughtfully composed. Thank you for your time and generosity of spirit, Ms. C

Foodycat said...

I'm really sorry it is taking you so much work to get people to accept the gift that you are offering.

Perri said...

Perri from Sababa... Sababa has been devoted to being as true as possible to FCBD ATS. We've taken GS and TT. We faithfully review videos - and still, when we dance, we look like Sababa. When LA Tribal dances, it looks like LA Tribal, Twisted Gypsy looks like Twisted Gypsy...When Fat Chance dances, it looks... well... gloriously like Fat Chance. Still, any and all of us can get together and jam, flow, dance, and understand each other. There are real stylistic differences that happen whenever dancers regularly work together. It always surprises me that we do the same move - but differently somehow. We're already putting our own spin on things whether or not we mean to. And it's all good. Seems to me that Mama C is sanctioning what we're already doing, and giving us her blessing to explore this more purposefully. Old School, New Style - Don't care what you call it as long as I can dance it.

A funny aside, for real: at a gig I was called over to take pictures with a group of musicians and promoters. One "gentleman" said, "Pictures?! I thought you were coming over to give me a lap dance." Without hesitating, I smiled and replied, "Lap dance? Fat Chance!"

Megan said...

I think sometimes the reason two Sister Studios come up with the same or similar variations on a move is that they're just a natural progression of that move. Sometimes I'll be doing a move and think "Hey, I wonder if I could do a fade/lead change/etc with this move?" and I'm sure other dancers have the same thoughts. My favorite thing about ATS is that the moves just tend to make sense, and to me that also flows into the variations individual troupes come up with, so I guess it doesn't surprise me too much when separate studios follow the language of the dance into the same new vocabulary :)

Formiguinha said...

Thank you for this! I didn't really follow the discussion on the blog, but it has been something we talk a lot about in Portugal as well. Personally, i'm sort of a purist, and I think that this is an universal language, that allows us to share the gift of dance with dancers from all over the world, and that the basis was getting a little lost. The wks I just took in BCN was so wonderful because it allowed me to touch base. I think that in ATS, as in any other form of expression that has it's rules and format, you should always be confortable with the original thing, before you start deriving from it. And you should never let it out of your sight, or it will simply become something else, and altough it is valid as the expression of you movement, it is no longer what you were taught. Mostly, if you suddenly have the chance to communicate with a dancer from another troupe, you should be able to do it in a way that she understands. I sometimes pair up with other dancers here and get confused because I get cues for FCBD and the suddenly a GC thing pops up, and that doesn't allow me to just focus on the dance and have fun... I don't know if I'm making any sense... :P